5/9/2007

Good move, Clemson
Filed under: Clemson, Hatred — nobrainer @ 11:08 am

At Clemson, I took 3 Spanish classes. Spanish 104 was a condensed version of 101 and 102 for those who had taken Spanish in high school. 201 and 202 were slightly higher level. I learned, after the fact, that my high school Spanish teachers had done a really excellent job, and that I should have simply asked to test out of all those classes. However, because I knew the material, I was able to recognize good teaching.

I had the same professor for 104 and 201. He was really good because he really tried to make us learn Spanish. He made us actively try to speak Spanish and learn the language.

Then there was my 202 professor, Gloria Bautista. I can honestly say that one semester of her class provided me with zero benefit. I could have skipped class every day without detriment, aside from the “you must attend class every day or lose points” detriment to my grade. In a 202 level class, the primary activity should be speaking the language. We had covered most of the verb forms and a lot of vocabulary through 201. The best way to improve your knowledge of the language is use it. So what did Sra. Bautista include in her lesson plans? Sometimes she told us to do work in a workbook which she would sometimes check for completion. Mostly she showed us tapes of an “educational” soap opera called “Destinos.” On occasion, she also filled our class time with political propaganda.

Well now Sra. Bautista is suing Clemson. This professor, whose regular student reviews must have been some of the worst on campus, is suing because she lost “her tenured full professorship in November 2006.” She got shitcanned and rightfully so. Now she claims she was discriminated against because of her “race and national origin.”

I hope Clemson calls me in for the trial. I’ll be more than happy to set the record straight. She was a bitch of the first order. She didn’t care about teaching, at least not at the 202 level, a level far below her stature. It was clear that she was pissed off that she was stuck in Podunk, South Carolina. She wanted to wear her designer clothes and drive her Mercedes around in New York City. Now that she’s canned she is living in New York. Moreover, for someone being paid so poorly, she certainly had a lot of nice things. The common belief is that she married very well then divorced, sued, and got a sweet-ass settlement.

And as for how much discrimination there is going on, consider that the professor I had for 104 and 201 was the department chair. And gay. Really, really gay.

collapse Howard McEwen Says:

What defines “really, really gay”?

collapse nobrainer Says:

He wasn’t flamboyantly gay or annoyingly gay (ya know, the people who get more enjoyment out of making it known that they are gay rather than actually being gay) but clearly, not secretively gay.

 
 
collapse Tarpaw Says:

When I enrolled at Clemson in ‘81, after 4 years of Spanish in junior high and high school, I placed out of Spanish 101, 102, and 201 and was placed into Honors 202. (Way back then, when you placed out of stuff you got the credit for the hours of the courses you skipped over with a grade for each course relative to what you made in the one you took. I got 11 “A” hours just by doing well in H202, plus my H202 grade. Sweet. But I digress…) Since I was the only H202 student, they plopped me in the regular 202 class with higher performance expectations.

My professor was some Italian guy named Lenny (can’t remember the last name), who was married to a Lebanese woman. His class was at 8:00 AM and was somewhat unstructured. We sat in a circle with no desks. He’d conduct the class mostly in Spanish and when his questions were met with blank stares (usually the case with most of the students), he’d turn to me and I’d answer, so apparently my prior teachers had also done a good job.

Anyway, Lenny spent more time talking about food and telling stories about Chicago and his wife and going on and on (in English) about their Mediterranean heritages being responsible for them being so “emotional” (read obnoxious). After several weeks of sitting in a circle listening to him bloviate and being pretty much the only student who spoke any Spanish whatsoever, I frequently decided to sleep in and didn’t show up to class much anymore. He must’ve detected something from my body language when I did attend, as he told the rest of the class one day that I knew the material but that I scared him.

I wound up with a “B” and a mental block that seemed to purge my brain of most of my 6-year equivalent Spanish education. Given the prominence of the language nowadays, I sure wish I remembered more.

 
collapse Parcho Says:

Looks like I didn’t miss out on much by not taking Spanish at Clemson.

Of course, my fiance was a Spanish major at Wofford. I guess she knows enough Spanish for the both of us.

 
collapse Mr. Bingley Says:

How did they manage to fire a tenured prof? She must have done something very naughty.

 
collapse Doctorat Says:

Although this woman apparently got what she deserves, that’s not to say that there’s no racism at Clemson. Very few instructors of color, whether good teachers or not, remain at the institution because of the climate. In the Language Department, the attrition rate has been significantly high. Racists incidents have always abounded on campus, from having and worshiping Calhoun’s mansion (an avowed racist) in the center of campus, to a recent incident of a “blackface” student party. There’s also a secret society, the Tiger Brotherhood, which no one ever mentions in the area. Its members, all of them white, form a sophisticated version of the Klan.

collapse nobrainer Says:

I can’t say there isn’t racism. But I can say from my experience that Calhoun is not worshipped and that Tiger Brotherhood is barely a secret. That they are all white makes them like most of the non-secret fraternities on campus. Furthermore, I can not think of a more invalid reference than to compare them to the Klan.

collapse Doctorat Says:

Just because Calhoun’s mansion and persona are not worshipped by you doesn’t mean that the the institution doesn’t hold his memory in very high esteem. Were that not the case, why such an ado about his house? Are you telling the folks out there that Tiger brotherhood is just another Greek organization? Get serious. How open are this pledges and who are the members? How many frats have the president and former president of the U. among its members? Why are there no former black athletes in it, particularly when the U. owes its fame to many of them? Although the philosophy may not replicate the Klan’s, TB has very similar membership criteria, thus the comparison.

collapse nobrainer Says:

Exactly. No one worships Calhoun, but as a very notable historic figure and being as the university rests on his old property, his memory is preserved there.

As for the Tiger Brotherhood, you have to admit that it is a poorly kept secret and that the members can easily be found out, or you have to admit that you cannot prove that all its members are white.

Personally, as I said before, think it is not such a big secret, and I wouldn’t be surprised if all the members were white. Which makes them like most of the regular fraternities on campus, and very similar to NPHC which are mostly if not all African American.

But you can’t just pledge Tiger Brotherhood. You have to be chosen. How do they choose? They recruit the cream of the crop: academic and social leaders from campus. Thus it is should not be surprising when those leaders find leadership positions at the university.

I’ll end by speculating why there are no former black athletes involved — other than them being black. I’m guessing that pledges aren’t chosen based on how much fame they bring the university, but how much they show they can lead and shape the university. Furthermore many athletes will be at a disadvantage due to their athletic requirements that may keep them out of the Student Senate or other representative body.

collapse Doctorat Says:

If this isn’t the sickest of rationalization. Of course Calhoun was a historic figure, as one of our biggests racists who became VP. Black athletes can’t lead or shape the university? How about the remaining black student body and the black faculty and staff? It’s obvious that you still belong to the gang who maintained that “they cannot make good quartebacks because…” or “they cannot excel as coaches because…” Please, you either work for CU or you are of the ilk that argues that “it wasn’t over slavery, but over state rights.”

collapse Wha Says:

I can atest that Nobrainer definetly does not fall in the either of the two catergories you mentioned. His evaluation of the Tiger Brotherhood is quite accurate form my experiences. The so called fame you speak of, brought on by these athletes, are for talents that have little to nothing in common with what I see as the perceived criteria used to select people into TB. Pledges can easily be spotted in the spring as they walk around silently, typically carrying various symbols of the organization. I have known several people who pledged TB over the past 10 years. You are correct that most if not all are white. Many have ties to the greek community but nearly all have ties to some form of academic honor society and/or student government. Here is the base criteria where many of the people you feel should be included fail to match up. Check on all these athletic leaders and see what they did in student government, championing a casue on campus, or being an officer in an academic honor society. I believe you research would make your answer self evident. If you will also notice, few if ANY athlete becomes part of TB, at least in present day University (post-1980). There again, with the presure to perform on th field, training, and least we forget an occassional trip to Vickery Hall, they just don’t have teh time to be more involved.
Also, it’s my understanding that TB typically initiates the President of the University. It so happens the current one is also a Clemson grad, so it makes sense that he would be in as being President is the highest service one can be to the institution.
By the way, Woody Dantler did more as a quarterback than anyone else in recent memory, including Whitehurst, in wins and overall offensive stat production. Guess that means he was really a white guy we painted black too fool everyone.

 
collapse nobrainer Says:

Brief reply:

Take off your tinted glasses.

 
 
 
 
 
collapse nobrainer Says:

“There’s also a secret society, the Tiger Brotherhood, which no one ever mentions in the area.”

Here are two more reasons why your comment is way off:

1 - In my most recent issue of Clemson World, one woman was identified as a former Tiger Brotherhood Mother of the Year (or something like that).
2 - I was just updating my address and profile on the alumni.clemson.edu site and what did I see listed as a “major student club?” Tiger Brotherhood. In fact, I can search by student activities and pull up a list of people in Tiger Brotherhood.

 
collapse Alan Pope Says:

Doctorat’s comment about Tiger Brotherhood is inflammatory and false. I am a member and know for a fact that there are African-American members. Moreover, while its initiation rights are secret, the organization is not. It has a website and openly raises money for Clemson. Don’t know who Prof Bautista is and don’t really care, but get your facts straight.

collapse Doctorat Says:

You folks can rationalize all you want to and make all excuses conceivable for racism. Clemson U. was is and will always be a bastion of racism and the “Confederate way.” No black will ever be a member of the TB because it is a plantation group, regardless of whether blacks meet its initiation criteria. (How may blacks are ever elected to student government in that place?) Bautista played ball with the racists and, once they no longer needed her, they got rid of her. Good riddance!

collapse nobrainer Says:

Are you actually going to bring something constructive to this discussion, or continue to grasp at straws?

collapse Doctorat Says:

You obviously live up to your name.

collapse nobrainer Says:

You obviously have completely given up on the former and chosen the latter.

 
 
 
 
 
 
collapse tom sherman Says:

Same shit happened at the Univ of Illinois about 8 years ago. A Latino prof (or possibly just an instructor, not full prof) was eviscerated in the course evaluations and not re-hired by the university.

This was the cause of much consternation among the blinders-on Latinos lefties on campus. The latino student association was placed in the laughable position of having to say that it didn’t matter that the teacher was terrible (a point which no one really disputed), but that they still shouldnt get rid of a latino prof and that “proper procedures” to fire the person hadnt been followed.

All in all, pretty hilarious when students are defending an admittedly horrible teacher. That, my friends, is called dogma.

 
collapse Evan Says:

Practically every white American (and European and Asian) in the time of Calhoun was a racist. The problem is that you’re using today’s standards to judge yesterday’s people. George Washington was our biggest racist to become President. That is until Thomas Jefferson took office. I think Martin Van Buren might have been a bigger racist still, but I’m not sure. Even Abraham Lincoln, if judged by todays social and moral standards, would be considered a racist of the highest order when he publicly announced: “I am not, nor have I ever been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races.”

Yep, he really said that. And nope, it didn’t cause any major political waves at the time. Does that make it right? No. Does that mean we should villify Lincoln and every one of his contemporaries as immoral and racist? No. Certainly, you may do so if you like, but a more rational approach would be to attempt to understand history within the context of the times rather than the context of the present–as hard as that may be.

 
collapse oz p Says:

I can not stop laughing. Dr. Bautista was the number one bully in the department. I know it very well, as she made my life a living hell as well as to the majority of the people in the department. She took advantage of her full-professor title to control everyone. Every one in the department was afraid of this witch. She was very good in taking revenge (real revenge). She got every thing she wanted, thanks to her good slave Sandi King (former dept. chair)… trips, summer classes (taught by unqualified students, while she stayed home or travel around the world). She was driving an expensive luxury car making good money and doing nothing for her students. She is a real COLOMBIAN BRUJA!

 
collapse Richard Jaynes Says:

I am a member of Tiger Brotherhood and served as president while in school. Levon Kirkland (All-American linebacker, pro bowl Pittsburgh Steeler, AND African-American) was initiated while I was in school.

collapse Doctorat Says:

Well isn’t that just big of y’all, finally letting a Negro in.

collapse nobrainer Says:

Thanks for visiting again and for your continued dedication to making sure that each comment you leave is dumber than the one before it.

 
 
 
collapse Chris Says:

Oddly enough, Dr. Bautista did in fact end up getting another universtity job; it’s just a shame she had to lie on her resume to get it. She was my LS361 teacher for the first month of school here at West Point, and one day our class began with the department chair standing before us with another complete stranger, relaying to us the events that led to her seperation from the Academy. Aside from being conniving, apparently she used government funds to purchase alcohol for herself and her students on a trip to Ecuador last spring. At West Point, we like to call that, “being a true leader of character.”

 
collapse Doctorat Says:

No doubt that you’re a neocon. When logic and reason (or irony in this case) overwhelm your dogmatic views, you lash out with insults. I’m sure that anyone who reads these comments and has some intelligence picks it up, however. Rather than giving “gangsta parties” and dealing with discrimination lawsuits of this ilk, Clemson should try to change its racist, “good ol’boy” image.

collapse nobrainer Says:

Quoting myself from above, “Thanks for visiting again and for your continued dedication to making sure that each comment you leave is dumber than the one before it.”

collapse Doctorat Says:

Oh my, aren’t we profound. Get a life and quit checking this site every ten minutes. Good bye and good luck, ’cause you’ll need it!

 
 
 
collapse Phd Says:

Doctorat,
I know nothing about the Dr. Bautista situation and so I won’t pretend to have a comment about that.

Concerning Tigerbrotherhood, I will comment. The organization integrated 1951, well before Harvey Gantt drove up to what is now “Gantt Circle” in Matthew Perry’s car. The gentleman that was selected for Tigerbrotherhood in 1951 was Herman McGee. He was the athletic trainer at Clemson for 40 years (give or take a year). He was loved by the ENTIRE Clemson family because he was such a wonderful person and his selection by Tigerbrotherhood was well deserved and probably long overdue.

As far as other athletes that have been tapped, Levon Kirkland (as mentioned before), Warren Forney, Henry Guess, just to name a few off the top of my head. Jason Holloman, Dexter McLeon and Jeff Davis were also tapped but could not complete the initiation because of time commitments (usually preparing for pro-career, or current sport obligations).

As recent as a month ago, a black student was initiated into the organization. He is not a student-athlete. He is an outstanding Clemson student and he serves the University quite well as a member of the “Call Me Mister” program along with other student initiatives. There are several other black students, staff, and faculty that have been selected for Tigerbrotherhood.

I always get a good laugh when people accuse Tigerbrotherhood of being Xenophobic. We have blacks, whites, people of Asian descent, men AND women, Christian, Jew, Hindu, agnostic, heterosexual AND homosexual. Not to mention the fact that initiates ages range from 19 to 75.

Exactly HOW MANY ORGANIZATIONS on ANY student campus can say that about their membership. Sounds like a far cry from Xenophobic to me.

Doctorat, When you hurl random accusations at an organization that you know very little or nothing about, you fall in line with ignorant racists from the John C. Calhoun era. You can’t just pull an organization out of the air and compare it to the Klu Klux Klan just because you know little about the organization and most of the membership is white. “A sophisticated version of the Klan”, “No black will ever be a member of the TB because it is a plantation group, regardless of whether blacks meet its initiation criteria”, “TB has a very similar membership criteria (to the Klan).”

I think a person of even moderate integrity would apologize for false accusations once the inaccuracies are pointed out.

 
collapse Phd Says:

and I forgot to mention….. the current president of Tigerbrotherhood is black.

 
collapse TB Member Says:

For the record, the current president of Tiger Brotherhood is black (Eric Lawhorn). Tiger Brotherhood initiated it’s first black member in 1964, 10 years before Clemson University was integrated. Please don’t post things on the internet that you obviously know nothing about.

 
collapse Doctorat Says: