Nobrainer’s Think Tank

this guy is a fraud. I believe he is trying to sell his fogwarmer. He isn’t even close to being an engineer. The only thing he knows about cars is being a shadetree mechanic. None of his car facts even add up.

Really John Doe?

Have you tried it yourself???

I have, for over a year now! And YES, Acetone increases milage! And my truck runs sooo much better !!!

You must work for Big Oil or the Gov.

Go crawl under a rock! It’s people like you that are destroying us and the planet.

Oh and Ryan… no I just see ALOT of Blind People!

Brutus

I just started experimenting with 100% acetone in my dodge truck. I bought the “100% actetone” at a drug store however, it has benzoate in it. Most of the literature I have read states that benzoate is bad for combustion, however, most of the acetones I have looked at have benzoate in it? Any suggestions?

I recently started using acetone, but not after establishing a baseline MPG a month prior. Now it is a month after using acetone. My non-acetone MPG was 12.83. My new MPG is 14.86. I will continue to collect data before I really jump on the band wagon, especially with the transition from winter to spring driving conditions.

But I do have to agree about LaPointe. He doesn’t come off as being totally credible or scientific. I emailed him what I thought was a supportive letter suggesting more hard data to improve his credibility. I got back a speech about me being a nut case and just inflating my own ego, plus the usual speech about how he doesn’t get one cent for his research (wrong!!).

He was totally unprofessinal and certainly didn’t react like someone who is truly knowledgeable or scientific or only caring for his cause. I might think this one of the biggest scams around except for the fact that I know acetone worked for me. And maybe that is it. The acetone does seem to work but do the devices he recommends (or sells?? via a hidden partnership) really work all on their own?? So far not enough credible evidence for me.

My dad used to make racing fuel for our go karts back in the late 50’s . I remember well, his beakers and cans and jars of nitro-methane, acetone, benzene and Sunoco “blue”….if my memory serves me correct, the diaphragms in the Tillotson carbs and fuel lines never swelled.But our eyes did burn from the fumes…….

I just starting reading about this acetone business. Interesting thoughts. I know refineries / oil companies and there is no conspiracy. The major problem I can see with putting acetone in gas is the vapor pressure. This is regulated and even a small amount will increase this dramatically. You can make cheaper gas with more butane (heavier than acetone) but can’t add more and still make the vapor pressure requirements. By the way, thats the difference between summer and winter gasoline, the requirements change with the season. The requirements are there to help control the vapors (pollution) from gasoline as it sits in tanks or is transfered between tanks.

No way Jose!!! I tried it in my 97 F150 with 5.4 L engine and lost 2 mpg. From 14.7 to 12.8.
With gasoline at over $3.00 a gallon it was a expensive lesson especialy after facturing the cost of the acetone. At this time I don’t think you can beat quality gasoline with a minimal amout of ethanol, like none.

Currently using Acetone in my Corvette mileage went from 15.4 MPG to 19.5 MPG.

D-DAYv, It looks as though you’re looking for errors in writing and not focusing on what is written. From what I’ve read, there are substantial savings which can be attained from using acetone in gasoline. I see no reason to disbelieve what is written by the folks here who have real testimonies regarding the use of acetone in their gasoline. What I don’t understand is why you would be so critical of something which is “TOTALLY IRREVELANT TO THE SUBJECT”. I know many corporate execs who have poor spelling, but they can run a business and speak at shareholder’s meetings.

JRI-SS had a lot of good and intresting information to share and I for one appreciate what he had to say. Thank you JRI and please continue with what you were saying.

All I know is I own a 2006 Dodge Caravan and have had it in the dealership 7 times for defective O2 sensors and the problem I am having with it kept occurring. I was getting only 10 mpg and having a lot of sputtering, stalling, check engine light on and loss of power until I started adding 2.5 oz Pure acetone per 10 gallons of 87 octane Shell gasoline. When we bought the vehicle it ran fine and I was getting appx 24 mpg city. now after using the “additive” I am getting appx 31 mpg city with no spitting, sputtering, power loss and the check engine light has not come on since. weather it’s a myth to everyone else or no who cares if it works for me then I am going to continue using it.

For the past three years I have been experimenting with acetone and have had only good results. I drive a ‘99 24 OHV Ford Taurus and before I started using acetone I was getting about 17 mpg. My driving is mixed, about 50/50 in and out of town. After 30,000 miles this is what I found..

I have used a variety of mixtures and have found 1.5 oz of pure acetone gives me about 27 mpg. I discovered this after using 3 oz and 4 oz mixtures. The 3oz got me up to 22-23 mpg. My logic was that if “a little” bit works…MORE will be even better!.. WRONG!.. With the 4oz my mileage actually dropped back to about 18-19 mpg.

1 1/2 oz of the stuff works for me. Plus the engine runs “so much” smoother. I hate to use the metaphor of a “Singer sewing machine”…but that’s actually what I was thinking when I was grappling with the change in engine performance.

Also, the tail pipe is burning browner.. the plugs are tan. I can see how it might not work in some vehicles, but as far as I’m concerned; it’s the best thing since sliced bread!

After reading the material on this site and from Mr. LaPointe’s site. I think Mr. LaPoint is way to interested in conspiracy stories, however this acetone thing seems to work for some. you, NOBRAINer, seem to have issues with the perceived need to always be right. This is made very apparent by your hostile attitude toward those who carry opinions differing from your own. My view is that if it works, it works. But you both seriously need to get a life and some counseling. Its OK if people disagree with you and no, the world isn’t out to get you…

I have been using Acetone (Kleenstrip) for about a year now in my ‘98 F-150 (4.6 2wd). I have varied gas stations on several different occasions for experimental purposes and have found no real variation from my initial gain (now status quo) mpg which averaged is 17.78 mpg from pre-acetone of 14.59. Also, the carbon build-up that has been prevalent around my tail pipe has since dissipated. My two cents. Also I found my best mileage to be obtained from 1 fl. ounce per gallon of gasoline.

the octane rating of fuel is a characteristic, cannot be calculated by weight of the its components, the calculation is only applied for the reference which is a mixture of iso-octane and n-heptane.

ever heard of the octane rating of tetraethyl lead? so there

the rating is determined by tests such as Research Octane Number (RON) or Motor Octane Number (MON) or Anti-Knock Index (AKI)

now the idea of ethanol being an anti-knocking agent is a pile of steaming horse shit. the Japanese Navy knew that all too well and that was one of the reason why Japanese Zeroes outturned, outran and outclimbed all Allies fighters in WWII.

http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=5192301

show me a sample of premium aviation gasoline (not jetA fuel) that does not contain acetone and methanol.

I tried acetone in by 2006 Chevy Uplander and I didn’t have much of an increase in milage. I knew this going into trying it. I wanted to make sure it wasn’t going to work well. In Illinois fuel is required to have 10% ethenol in it. This is why it didn’t work. The gas must be pure. The ethenol increased oxygenization in the fuel so it burns cleaner.

I did have an increase in milage I’m getting 2 miles to the gallon better in the city and on the highway. Driving habits can also help with milage. For example, you can coast more and use the natural terrain to you advantage. I coast on downhills, up to stop signs and traffic lights. Learn when you can cost on your daily driving and where you can start coasting. This has increased my milage a lot more than the acetone additive. (Don’t forget where I’m at has 10% ethenol in the gas). Don’t do the “jackrabbit” starts from stop signs and traffic signals. Increase speed at medium rate and do it smoothly.

I put acetone in the gas for my 1976 self propelled Lawnboy mower. The mower runs better and cleaner. It doesn’t have that 2 cycle smoke from the exhaust anymore. I’ll be checking to see how it work in the old Toro 2 cycle snow thrower this winter.

Sounds like LaPointe is actually selling ScanGauges, not acetone.

You son of a bitch, I’m right behind you! Turn around and ASK me for a Heffer with cheese, yo!

Go solar jail Bush (?) suggests putting acetone in a hybrid, then proceeds to incorrectly surmise the purpose of the electric components that set a hybrid apart from a conventional vehicle.
If acetone works as suspected, then the internal combustion engine portion of a hybrid should enjoy its asdded benefits, if any.
I have an ‘07 Prius, drive in Albuquerque and use acetone.
I have always seen an increase in mpg when I use acetone, regardless of summer or winter and regardless of high altitude driving or driving when I make it into the lowlands of TX.
I get 62 mpg on the hwy with no acetone and most of the superflous junk in the car taken out (carpet mats, dodad plastic shelves in the glove box, spare tire, jack, head rests on the rear seats, overinflate tires to 50 psi.) I have always seen higher mileage with my Prius on the hwy, as opposed to city driving, as opposed to the provocative claim Toyota makes about getting higher mileage with this car in the city.
Using acetone, I get almost 70 mpg on the hwy with my Prius.
I haven’t acheived it yet but I’m almost certain that topping off the tank at fill-up combined with using acetone (2 oz. per 12 gallons) would yield ~1,000 miles per tank full.
That would be a major acheivement, I think.

I am now a believer in this stuff.
Yes I bought a Scangauge!
But before it arrived I did a gas mileage check without Acetone on my ‘04 Jeep Rubecon with a FI 4 liter and was getting an average highway mileage reading of 14.7 mpg trying to keep up with the speed limit of 75 mph (AZ) and pinging like crazy.
The first thing that I noticed after adding acetone 1 oz per 5 gal was that the pinging immediately stopped!and has not returned at any load on the engine and that the engine performance improved, (I know all subjective). But the first mpg check showed that the gas mileage actually decreased to 13.4! What the !!!. My theory was that something changed -either the gasoline formulation changed or my driving habits changed. I was using the gasoline from the same station for my evaluation. After doing some soul searching I did notice that my foot was a bit heavier on the throttle because I was enjoying the performance improvement. This was verified by the Scangage after it was installed.
I am now getting about 15.8 mpg after relearning how to drive economically using the scangage. I would try the same experiment with the Scangage without the Acetone but don’t want the performance loss.
I used the Acetone from Walgreens first and am now using the stuff from Ace now with no differance.
In reading the threads I am seeing a lot of backseat engineering and a lot of bull as how this stuff works without actually trying it out. I love the story about how the octane is actually reduced and the one about the O2 sensor temp differance causing the engine to run leaner. — Bull!!!.
Try it for yourself and see - the performance improvement is amazing. I can actually drive the speed limit in Az.

I CANT see it improving milage by changing gasolines burning properties but Maybe, JUST MAYBE it acts like a fuel injector cleaner and it only helps clear out injector build up. Thats why some people see an increase. All they have done is cleaned their injectors. They could have seen similar results by buying a bottle of regular ol injector cleaner. Just a thought.

putting 2oz of a Acetone in gasoline increases miles up to 35% MythBusters are wrong. They are just saying that its BUSTED but its not b/c their helping the gas company if MythBusters said it worked everyone will do it
and that will destroy gas company’s

and you should use 2oz of acetone and 2oz of xylene for 10 gallons this will
will give more miles

Wow, it’s really amazing to see all the bad grammar in these posts.

Same subject, differnt additive. I used a standard bottle of STP gas/injector treatment and saw a 4-6MPG increase when mixed with 10 gal. of 87 octance gas. Milage dropped after that tank was refilled. I’m thinking that this 2 oz. acetone is worth a try.

I don’t have a dog in this hunt. I’ve never tried acetone in my car or any other additive to fuel. I agree that injector cleaning and the like should aid mileage, but I’ve never done it. I filled up my 1998 Infiniti I-30T today with 10 percent ethanol (E10) from Wally World (90 percent of my gas buys are from the same place) and calculated that I had got 23.36 MPG in the previous tank.

I think the issue here is utlization of BTUs in the fuel. Gasoline has 114,000 BTUs per gallon, E10 has 110,210 BTUs, ethanol having less energy than plain gas. The previous commenter who said that ethanol helps the fuel burn was incorrect. Ethanol is already highly oxygenated, which means that chemically it is already partly “burned” in comparison to plain gas. That’s one reason it takes 1.03 gallons of E10 to replace 1.0 gallon of gas, and the higher the ethanol ratio gets, the more it takes.

My car is going, average, 0.000212 mile per BTU of fuel. I would think that the real question regarding additives’ effectiveness, whether acetone or anything else, is do they raise the mile/BTU ratio?

That is why I would suggest that the bench testing of engines, while certainly useful in analyzing many things, would prove less accurate than controlled driving tests, say on a race track where other traffic and stoplights don’t exist and where and road characteristics are unvarying. Fuel quantities can be tightly controlled as can additives added.

In short, actual driving tests in a controlled driving environment appear to me to be the only really valid scientific way to investigate these claims. Driver input variability would actually be inconsequential since speeds could be well controlled and so could necessary variability in speed.

Having said that, and saying once again I have never added acetone to my fuel, I would say that the enormous numbers of drivers claiming they have gained a measurable increase in efficiency does itself constitute a self-organizing field test of a kind that should be taken seriously. As for lab testing, valid science requires construction an experiment based on observed data. If the experiment fails to replicate the data, a scientist doesn’t simply throw away the data, s/he asks what was wrong with the experiment.

Therefore, a fleet test with real, not simulated, driving would definitely be more valid than using benched motors, no matter what diagnostic equipment they are hooked to. The only valid condition to be tested is simply, “Do cars travel farther with acetone added than without?” Unless real cars are used to investigate, the bench-motor result is, IMO, prima facie invalid.

Whether anyone will actually ever conduct such a test I sure can’t say. But until it is done, the preponderance of evidence rests in favor of the enormous numbers of drivers who claim positive results, not with a single lab test under entirely artificialized conditions.

Fair enough. However, I still maintain that the central question is simply, “Do cars travel farther with acetone treated gas than without?” Hence, “engine efficiency” per se is not actually the primary thing, it is an issue subsidiary to the main question.

Of course, the number of variables in testing have to eliminated insofar as possible. Hence my suggestion of track testing, or “closed loop” testing.

Interestingly, closed-loop, driving testing is exactly what MIRA, a leading design, development & certification consultancy in the UK, did to certify their claims of a 61 percent improvement on their test cars using the company’s removable, rechargeable battery packs that can be retrofitted to most reasonably recent cars. (More details here.)

I have no doubt that MIRA did all kinds of lab testing of their designs, but their proof testing of achieved mileage was driving tests under conditions much as I described above.

So, “here I stand, I can do no other:” bench tests are useful for a large number of lines of inquiry, but are not determinative in the question before us in this thread: “Do cars drive farther on the road with acetone than without?”

So, as I am dealing with individuals’ anecdotal claims on the one hand, and useful but by no means decisive lab test on the other, I have to conclude that the question of acetone’s efficacy still has not been answered.

I guess Acetone is worth a try!

I have tested it on several cars and found the following:
1. works well in normally aspirated cars..if you have a supercharger or turbocharger, it seems to make no difference
2. does not work well in diesels. No effects in my testing.

I used to own an old moving truck that ran like…well, an old moving truck. My mechanic suggested some acetone every fill up. It helped quite a bit. The engine behaved like I wanted it to. I never noticed a change in mileage. At 7 mpg, it was never something I would want to look at. I started putting more and more at a time. Soon, I was putting in about 1/4 gallon in a 40 gallon tank. The carburetor needed an overhaul after a few months. Thinking it was because of the age, I never even considered the acetone. The truck ran great for a few years after the rebuild, then started running rough again. I began mixing in some acetone again to clear the problem, and it did. I started mixing the same amount as before(1/4 gallon per tank) for preventive maintenance (notice I never clued in). Well the same problem occurred. I now know that too much can damage a carb. I just learned that on the net tonight. The truck is long gone and so are the bills.
From what I have read on the subject, I have come to the conclusion that acetone does wonders in small quantities as an additive for vehicles with higher miles. It cleans and smooths things out. If some people claim that acetone helps with their car’s emissions to the point of running like a new one, then this is good. I don’t know if it would help a nice shinny new car with a tight engine. That would be like taking an aspirin to feel better when we are not sick to begin with. I have seen some guy claim that a magnet attached to a rubber gas line can increase gas mileage over a period of 2 years. I don’t think he considered the fact that the engine is now broken in and SHOULD get better mileage.
My 1992 toyota is running rough so I will mix in some acetone and see what results I get. Noooooo, I wont put in a half gallon per tank. Just enough to see a difference(30ml). i will let you know of the changes.

I am but a humble carpenter and find myself wary of snake oil salesmen and mad scientist as well as over obsessed spell checkers. I have read all of the above posts and it appears that there may be a common problem with introducing information for thaught to the general public, and that would be the general public itself. I am sure that something can be done about the average persons fuel economy on his or her personal vehicle, but it seems that on average the lose nut behind the wheel ultimately has the ability to maximize or minimize his vehicles use of fuel. Acetone is a good cleaner and could possibly help to improve an older vehicles economy by cleaning the system and would be noticed in the first or second tank. Newer vehicles would probably show minimal improvement if any. I don’t see how it could be destructive in such a small dose, used once in a while for maintenance purposes. But, the same amount of sand would definately have a negative impact. Variables such as what kind of gas, vehicle, climate, altitude, person or position of the earth in our universe or laboratory, result in differnt conclusions that will ultimately cause an argument. The fact of the matter is that we will all be at the mercy of our fuel provider(gas and elec) and it is up to us as individuals to overcome the fear of try and try again. I have decided to try acetone on an older vehicle of mine, a 92 f150 straight six. It is a service vehicle of mine and I maintain it diligently. Mileage has been logged daily for over 160k mi and it gets 14.9 mpg on average, which is about what it got new and I promise that if it makes a difference, good or bad, I will let you know.

I’m from Guatemala, and I remember on mid 80’s we been so bad limited with the gasoline, We wasn’t able to buy more than 5 gallons a day even when we had money to pay for it, also the line to get the fuel pump was so big (usually at least 3 hours to reach the pump, like Disneyland lines!!). My dad did his weird mix using acetone, thinner and nafta balls (yes, the smelly ones) we did the mix with 3 nafta balls, 1 oz acetone and 2 oz lacquer thinner per 5 gallons of gasoline and, believe it or not, 10 gallons of kerosene. I remember the face of the other drivers when we park the car at the kerosene pump at the back of the gas station and poor the kerosene on the tank. Of course the first days we had to deal with the police because they were thinking we are cheating but after they smell the kerosene they just gone. My car was able to run, of course was not smooth at all, and the emissions were kind of nasty and the engine ping a little bit, but at least we was able to use the car when others had problems to do it. I had a Ford Econoline 1977 with 8V 302cc.
My point is, probably the acetone make the miracle on my car. I’m now start using 3oz per 10 galls, plus 2oz xylene and 1 oz syntetic oil on my Lincoln Navigator 2001 (12.3MPG) and I will post here if I have any improvement.

I tried acetone, but screwed up. The gasoline had ethanol in it. It’s getting harder to find the stuff with no ethanol. Some of the filling stations with their boastful signs touting “REAL gas here” now meekly state they have ethanol free, but only their premium gas. There is a station about 10 miles away that sells both with and without ethanol in the lower octane (87) grade, and it costs 4¢ more than with ethanol.

I now have a tank of ethanol free, with about 4 oz. acetone in it. Got it at Wally World, and it says “100% acetone”, but it also states it’s anti-bacterial. I’ll do a couple tanks like this and report back. My usual mpg on my Honda CR-V is 25-27 mpg.

Not much to report yet. I filled the tank again, and my mileage acetone vs. no acetone is identical. My vehicle is “picky”, though. I’m going to fill up at the same gas station, same pump. If the ground tilts, and it always does, you may not get a full tank, due to air pockets.

If I do not see at least a 10% improvement,(29-30 mpg) I will label this experiment a failure, at least for my vehicle.

Nobrainer is correct. Laboratory bench tests can be run on acetone-gasoline blends. Field tests can be run, too, but they need to be blind or better yet, double blind, where neither the driver nor the formulator know which car is getting the acetone and which car is getting a “placebo”.

I am surprised the makers and sellers of acetone haven’t done this and, if it really works, promoted their product now that gasoline is so expensive. This doesn’t seem to have happened, so I am sceptical of acetone’s value as a mileage improver.

But we have a bottle of acetone in the lab where I work. Two ounces isn’t very much. I’m sure one of the techs would give me some. I’m tempted to try it.

you acetone “believers” are idiots. mechanically higher mpg out of a higher octane liquid actually doesnt make sense, but whatever… you’re getting 357.3 miles per 10 gallons.. who am i to argue… keep spending your money trying to find a fix to your terrible gas mileage problems in your cars. i’ll be laughing at you at the gas station when i pull up on my bike bouncing off the rev limiter at 12k, and beating the shit out of it, and then i’ll proceed to fill up with $12 of PREMIUM gas, calculate my mileage to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 50mpg, and then wheelie on out of there to do it to someone else 200 miles down the road.. yeah, i said 200 miles off of 3.8 gallons… damn must be nice huh?

I will keep this simple. Acetone in gasoline has given me better mileage on every tank of gasoline with acetone as an additive. I have a Dodge 06 Caravan W/3.8 engine. First, tires need to be at the correct pressure or higher. It helps if the vehicle is clean, less drag. I went on a 2500 mile trip and used acetone on the whole trip except for 200 miles. I changed gasoline brands and wanted to empty the tank. My DTE readout after the trip read 500 miles after fill up. Before acetone the highest was 427 after fill up. Wind and temps also affect the mileage. The last 1028 miles was all highway miles thru rain, wind, temps between 65-95, mountains, straight highways, 7 rest stops and one stop overnight. When the outside temperature was over 70 the A/C was on. The last six hours of driving the A/C was off and it was raining. The best gas mileage that I ever got was 25 MPG with this vehicle before using acetone and that was keeping the speed under 62 MPH on a straigth highway with the A/C on. Except for the first 280 miles I drove normally, the speed limit or the flow of traffic. My first fill up I got over 28.34 MPG. After that, I decided see what the real performace is with acetone. My opinion is acetone flat out works, it is a “no brainer.” I started using 4oz. 100% virgin acetone per tank. I am now using 6oz. per tank. There are many variables. So you can sit around and pick apart the science without real information or go and experience real science. There will always be people that can’t do science. Just like some people can’t cook. But those who can do science should get out there and try using acetone in gasoline. A college degree does not automatically qualify a person to pursue science. I know one unbeliever that has a Mustang with a 5.0 engine. After puting 4oz. of 100% in a tank, said the engine ran smoother but was only getting 10 MPG. I asked if he checked the PSI in the tires. He said no. I checked the PSI of his tires. They were between 21 and 27 PSI. He is now running his tires at 44 PSI.

This is just pathetic. Why are so many people wasting there time arguing about acetone? If it is working in your car why do you care if a stranger online doesn’t believe in it? If you don’t believe why do you care if its working for someone else? If you want to fix the oil problem in this country take your argument to the government and stop stroking your ego’s by trying to outsmart random idiots in a forum.

Hi Nobrainer, I was being serious. No satire.

I should have said the first law of thermodynamics, which goes to the idea that a system cannot be used to create more energy than it had to begin with.

Some internet physicists have argued that in a running automobile, if the battery is used to hydrolize water, the alternator will have to work harder to charge the battery, and the engine will have to work harder to run the alternator, and more gasoline will be used to run the engine, and therefore the energy gained from the hydrogen will not be more than the energy in the gasoline used to produce it. I don’t know enough about a car’s electric circuits to know if this is true, but it may be.

However, if an independent source of electricity, like a solar panel mounted on the roof of the car, makes the hydrogen, no potential to violate a physical law exists. In theory, gasoline combustion should go down–replaced by hydrogen combustion. Could a solar panel make enough hydrogen to matter? Dunno, but I’d like to find out.

Greetings All

I am on the fence about this subject, there are a lot of Pro and Con about this subject, but (then again) this is the Internet :-}

I find this subject curious enough to test it myself (I am not leaning one way or another). I have done a few Hypermile tests myself on my car (example: http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/forums/f26/final-chapter-has-begun-5242/ ) and as can be seen (via the link) I drive a 2006 Smart car.

The 1 thing I have noticed in most articles is the recommendation of using the ScanGauge II, I believe the moment ANYONE can see the instant MPG they will change their driving habits.

I have been tracking my mileage (via here http://www.spritmonitor.de/en/detail/194504.html )so have a year of info to compare to.

My first goal will be to find a gas station that GAS only (non E10) and bench mark that. Then remove my trip computer (forcing me to drive normal)
and after a few tanks of pure gas start the test.

My car only has 14K+ mileage on it and I’m not worried about the % of acetone to gas in this car to stop me.

As an engineer I tend to be a little anal (I don’t like to lie to myself), by NO means will I suggest my findings will be final on this subject, but they will be for me.

I’ll book mark this Blog to make sure I update my findings, BUT it will be months before I have a final opinion (1 tank of gas every 2 weeks makes for a long test)

This will be FUN

Brent

my 96 civic gets 38 mpg w/o the air on and 34 mpg with the air on

with 1/4 cup of 100% acetone and 11 gal. of gas, i got 29 mpg

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I read an article in 2003, not by LaPointe, regarding acetone in fuel and decided to try it. I first tried it on a 1996 Thunderbird and noticed a 25% increase in mileage. This was compared to gasoline only. How? My daily commute was 30 miles (mostly highway) each way and I logged 35,000 miles on that car. I used the same gas station for 2 months to limit variables. It was difficult to believe at first, but the results were there.
I then used it in my 2004 Ford SportTrac 4×4, which I bought new. I did not start using the acetone until there was 1000 miles on the car, so I could make sure I would have clean data. Using the same commute, I noticed that my MPG went from 15 to 19 MPG. I had no engine trouble and no fuel line issues. That truck took 54,000 miles in 2 years. As a salesman, logging miles is a daily task and made it easy to keep track. I am now using it in my 2007 Pontiac G6, bought new, without issue. After 28,000 miles I can attest to the increase in MPG and so does the dashboard sensor.
The one piece of advice to see an increase is to use the proper amount. Any more than 3 oz per 10 gallons of 87 octane gas has diminishing returns. One tank of gas will not show such dramatic results in your mileage. You will notice the change by the third tank. Try it yourself. If it works for you, use it. If not, don’t.

I recently took an 1148 mile trip with my 06 Caravan w/3.8 engine. Same vehicle that I posted my previous results. On my last trip using the instruments that came with the vehicle, they read that I could go over 500 miles on a tank of gas. This most recent trip I drove 532 miles on a tank of gas with some gas left in the tank. I have concluded like others, 3oz. of acetone per 10 gal. works best. Temp 75-98 with the A/C on the whole time. MPH 60-70. No Brainer wants “verifiable, repeatable, (at least semi)-scientific evidence that says that acetone really does increase fuel mileage nearly as well and as broadly as claimed.” Before using acetone the longest distance I drove after fill up was 430 miles. Yes I can drive a longer distance using acetone with BP or Chevron gasoline. After that 532 mile trip on one tank of gasoline, I switched to Exon because I didn’t know when I would see the next BP or Chevron station. To the acetone nay sayers, I understand. I did not see any improvement using acetone with Exon gasoline. Those that do not see improvement on the highway using acetone, it would be nice to know what brands of gasoline that do not provide a performance improvement with the use of acetone.

Wow, you are that gullable huh? Did I say “ALL CHEVRON STATION’S” Are high? Hmmm, Let’s look, No I didn’t say it was every single station. What you don’t see on that site, is that as I Sit here writing this, and I just not 5 minutes ago drove by this very Chevron Gas Station here in Jeffersonville In (Right across the bridge from Louisville) on 10th street while most other stations are selling gas today for $3.71-3.75 per gallon they have it for $4.09. Let’s do the math, that’s $.38 cents higher. They aren’t the only Chevron station that high, or close to that high in the Louisville area. Chevron is the highest here, by far. I don’t care what LouisvilleGasPrices.com says. I live here.

Rich

Rich - The difference between your cars is the performance that can be extracted from the engine. Different bore size, stroke length, compression chamber design, valve sizing & durations, I could go on forever. Cars in the 80’s got great mileage because we were in an oil crisis. Cars back then also had a lot different emission requirements. You can get great mileage out of some engine setups but at the expense of exhaust emissions. My fiance’s 2001 Ford Focus with a little SOHC 2 liter 4 cylinder engine with about 100K on the ticker usually got on average low 20’s in MPG. A year or so ago I filled up her tank with a mixture of acetone just as a test. A mix of highway & country driving to the lake over a period of about 300 miles yielded me an average of 36 MPG. I never went above 60 on the highway though. She just recently had a new long block installed and I just went on a trip with her again, no acetone this time. We averaged 31 MPG with speeds sustained between 65 and 75 for most of the trip, some stop & go city traffic but most highway. I believe the most crucial part of mileage to the gallon is a properly maintained & running engine. If tolerances become to great it will not run smooth and not produce as much power as it was designed to. Simple things to do. Accelerate slower, anticipate traffic patterns to reduce stop & go situations, switch to synthetic lubes, keep up on lube changes, rotate & check tires pressure occasionally, fill up with quality gasoline like shell or chevron or bp/ammoco.

95Avalon, why do you want to see emission printouts? Acetone is being added to gasoline to improve MPG, not emissions, or have I missed your point?

There are as many financial and political reasons for acetone to work as not to work. Acetone is readily available and its sellers would love for you to buy it pour it in your gas tank, or clean your fingernails, as your heart desires. But acetone cannot work for some and not for others; either it works or it doesn’t, and for MPG improvement, only a properly controlled bench test can tell us for sure. Anything else is tantamount to witchcraft.

We are looking for a magic potion, but what we will get is a change of lifestyle and technology. All of us will learn to drive smarter with smaller, more efficient engines using a combination of new technologies and truly alternate fuels. I don’t believe two or three ounces of acetone in a tank of gas will play a serious role in any of this.

But 95 Avalon, setting aside my opinion and your sarcasm, would you agree with me that acetone cannot work for some and not for others; either it works or it doesn’t, and for MPG improvement, only a properly designed and controlled bench test can tell us for sure?

IT WORKS- AND IT HELPS THE ENVIRONMENT !

Exhaust Emissions Test Results
Aug 16: HC grams per Mile = 1.14 last weeks test
Aug 23: HC grams per mile = 0.83 yesterdays test
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0.31 grams per mile LESS HC with Acetone

Well, I guess this websights insistance that Acetone doesn’t work or produces less harmful emissions is BUSTED!
I suggest anyone interested in saving money; more miles per gallon,
and helping the environment LEAVE this obnoxious; moronic websight
(do a google search of Acetone in fuel, or More miles per gallon)
THIS SIGHT IS DOMINATED BY MORONS WHO VALUE THEIR OWN OPINION MORE THAN FACTS OR OTHERS ACTUAL EXPERIENCES.
IF YOU WANT REAL INFORMATION, BETTER TO LEAVE HERE AND NOT WASTE YOUR VALUABLE TIME WITH JIBBER-JABBER AND SELF INDULGANT IDIOTS
BUH BYE TARDS!!

I’m no engineer nor was my testing done in a controlled scientific manor. But I do know how to check my gas mileage and after adding 2 oz of 100% acetone per 10 gal of gas in my 86 Porsche 911 turbo, the milage went from 12 mpg to 23 mpg! After four months of use it averages between 8 and 11 mpg increase depending on the gas I used and the way I drove.
The biggest surprise to me was one I didn’t even take into consideration so as not to be confused with the placebo effect, was the increase in performance! I put it in my tank and by the time I got down to the corner I noticed a “big difference” in the way my car was running, smoother and more power.
After telling my sister about it she got a 5 mpg increase in her late model Jeep suv and another friend got a 3 mpg increase in his 2008 GTO with that monster Corvette engine in it. Literally “all” the people I’ve told about using acetone that gave it a try have got an increase of varying degrees, some large some small, but an increase just the same.
So how anyone out there can say acetone doesn’t work or is a waste of your time must be standing to close to the fumes! It works great especially considering the price of gas today! Try it yourself and see…
P.S.
Thank you nobrainer for letting me use your soap box to voice my opinion.
Greatly appreciated my friend. Best of luck.

I finished an 1171 trip. While I was driving in Texas on I-30 before I started my last long trip, someone dropped a load of red dirt all over the highway. I had to drive thru a man made Texas dust storm. Starting out on my most recent long trip, I noticed that I was only getting 25 MPG with Chevron and BP gasolines. I was getting stressed out because my base line is 29 MPG using using acetone. I have also been checking Fram air filters because they have changed their design on some filters. I was using their newest filter with 6000 miles of use, when I drove thru the man made dust storm. Since the filter material was smaller on the new filter, thought the filter may be restricting the air flow. Changed the new filter back to the old filter that had around 6000 miles of use on it and bingo, back to 29 MPG. So what I learned during my last two long trips is that gasoline and air filters do have a direct impact on the testing results of gasoline using acetone. I mix the acetone with a half gallon of gasoline in a container before I put the acetone in the tank. I do not have any paint peels all around my gas cap. Yes I spill gasoline around the fuel filler
tube sometime and I have not seen any damage to the paint on the body. Of course I wipe off the spill as soon as possible.

Hey, finally someone who know the history of planes. It was also discovered that the Mitsubishi motors had a lot of aluminum parts, weight issues, and the internal structure was reinforced with, yes, balsa wood. Our planes were a little slower and less maneverable but we also had steel plating for protection so a lot of our pilots came home and did not explode like a fireball.

The comment “The container with acetone that Wal-Mart sells doesn’t read 100% acetone.” should read: The container with acetone that Wal-Mart sells doesn’t read 100% virgin acetone.

My results: without acetone: 20.10 MPG vs. with acetone: 23.05 MPG.

2003 Honda Pilot (purchased late 2003) 50 KMiles. Driving almost exclusively country roads, some dirt but most paved. No stoplights, 1 stop sign every 4 miles (on average). Speed 35-40 MPH average (less on dirt, more on pavement). Bought 100% acetone at a drug store and added 4 fl. oz. per 12 gallons gasoline. Last 3 (of 4) acetone-added tanksful yielded 23.053 MPG, early Fall, New England. Compared that with 3 no-additive fillups from late Summer, same driving conditions except for A/C. I had A/C running in the summer, so that may have caused some MPG loss vs. fall with no A/C. But a 15% difference? Unlikely.

I don’t think it’s possible to come to a definite conclusion, even in a laboratory setting. Such results would only be valid for a laboratory setting. I think the only way to know if acetone works for you is to try it in your environment. Don’t believe anyone who advocates for or against acetone based solely on mental analysis. It only counts when the rubber meets the road.

One thing I have noticed over the years is that octane affects engines of different displacement differently. I noticed that when I used octane boosters in small engines such as a 1.9L Ford escort the fuel economy jumped dramatically. In a larger engine such as a 350 Windsor, it was not very noticeable. This may explain some of the dramatic differences of results. The main question to ask is what does acetone actually do? Is it changing the octane or is it just cleaning a clogged up piece of junk that was poorly maintained so it runs like it should have?
It may be worth investigating this…..

You could work on late night television and be a hit. What impact is tire pressure going to have on the change in burn characteristics? It’s not! Where did I say tire pressure affects the burn characteristics? I didn’t. One goal of having a baseline is to eliminate as many variables as possible. I performed my tests with the goal of improving gas mileage, not to evaluate how clean my spark plugs looked after 10,000 miles. That is an idea for later testing. If the temperature changes, so will the air pressure in the tires. The change in temperature will change the burn characteristics of gasoline. I am not funded by the federal government with grants, so I did not make these tests, If you remember riding a bicycle, when the tires were low you had to pedal harder, thus more ENERGY was used to go the same distance. When the tire had high pressure, less ENERGY was required to go the same distance. Keeping the tire pressure constant, is a componet of the acetone in gasoline test, that cannot vary. If tire pressure is not constant, the results will be skewed and real research doesn’t happen. Lowering the tire pressure will use more ENERGY and thus more gasoline. New vehicles are designed to operate at a pre-determined way. Poorly maintained vehicles will run differently and will throw more variables into the tests. We don’t know how the other variables induced into the test by a poorly maintained vehicle, will actually the change the test results, unless we spend a great amount of time and effort controlling for these possible confounds. What you consider remarkable is your opinion. When gasoline was $4.00 a gallon and I gained 100 miles per tank using acetone, it was a “NO BRAINER” that acetone used in gasoline saves me money.

All the ppl who think acetone is a myth are fools!!! I added 1 tsp of acetone to my gas tank and my Suburban got 300 MPG!!! I thought to myself… why use gas at all. I have been running on pure acetone for 20 years now with no problem. I only fill up my tank about twice a year and can go go about 30,000 miles on a full tank!

wow, had no idea there was such a debate on the issue. it’s really hard to imagine that people have so much time on their hands to argue such moot points. as was said, if you want to know if it works, do it. i was a little scared but intrigued at the same time, so i tried it first in my old diesel truck, and with no ill effect moved on to my ‘02 honda civic. i saw little to no effect in the truck, but saw sigificant gains in the honda. while i used no scientific testing, my in town mileage jumped (after several tanks) to the high 30’s. but i ran out of acetone and stopped . . . oh well. i do agree that the old man (whatever his name is) is a bit of a quack. all his milegae claims were at 45-50 mph. anybody is going to improve their mileage if they drive that slow, my jetta tdi got 48.3 mpg at 70 mph but 44 mpg @ 75 mph, but i’ve heard of people getting 60-65 mpg out of them. if we all slow down a bit we could really save some money, it really suprises me how many people FLY on the highway.

any thoughts on hydrogen?

So when the japs flew their plywood planes into our carriers and battleships,they just went “poof” and turned to dust?..id like you to explain that to admiral halsey…only their fuel tanks were plywood mr internet genius.

I use an ounce of acetone in each tank of gas in my Hillman Minx which I don’t think has fuel “injectors”. It used to get 25 miles per gallon and now gets 30. What about that Mr. Science or should I say Chevron zombie.

Oil companies obviously brainwashed or payed off all the “scientists” so they wouldn’t let this secret out. If there is one thing sure about scientists, it is that they are greedy bastards and would sell you 15 minutes in the woodshed with their grandmother if you were buying. What do you really think a “scientist” would do if they discovered a miracle secret to greater fuel milage, write a paper about it, get into any post doc program in the country, no of course they would call shell and ask for hush money.

I know of several other additives that will improve your mileage even more than acetone will, and while I use them myself in my Renault Dauphine, I am under contract from uncle sam and the trilateral commission not to mention them in a public forum or do and sience on them. Sorry.

Full disclosure, I also run a hydrogen generator on the car powered by a windmill on the roof which, while apearently defying the laws of physics, actually boosts my milage 16.7543% on average. Of course the Fisher rays eminating from the generator have to be delt with, but I use a tin foil covering on my cranial ceryoplexum to deflect them to safer stratisfurigamica counsling the friferen an Joe.

clepsoflazem,

yorerjiumn

no brainer… your an idiot

i just put 2 ounces in my jetta 2 day i will post results soon.i normally get about 431 miles out of a tank on long trips from a 14.5 gallon tank using chevron gas. c u guys later

I have been using Acetone as a fuel additive for over a year now. I have found it to provide me with 10% increased fuel milage, smoother running engine and lower idle speed, not to mention there is no longer that black smudge in my exhaust pipe!

Actually, ONCE, I’m guessing due to having hit a “sweet spot” based on ideal gasoline, environmental temperatures, humidity and the perfect amount of acetone, I got a 50% increase in mileage!

Acetone added to gasoline in the right amounts DOES help gas mileage, idle speed and running a cleaner engine!

“Chevron controls the worldwide patent rights for NIMH batteries used in the RAV4-EV, and won’t allow their use in EVs.”

source: http://www.ev1.org/chevron.htm

I put 1 ounce of accetone for 10 gallons of gas ans mileage went from 15.50 to 18.47 in the city I have not done any hwy driving yet. this is a 2997 gmc acadia. The book says 17 city and 24 hwy. Since I got this car I have been getting only 15 but i am getting 26 on the hwy. Hoping to get 20 city and 30 highway after testing with accetone

Ho, Ho, Ho. Good joke, D.S. If you don’t have anything intelligent to say, just keep your yap shut and go back to Facebook, etc. Read some of my postings on Allpar dot com, Tech Forums.

Bought a 1993 Ford Fiesta with 62K on the ODO back in July, 2005. Knew it would get great mileage as-is and be indestructible for my sons to learn how to drive a manual. I immediately began bragging about the mileage as gas prices rose, all the while tracking every penny, drop of fluid, and mile covered very diligently. After having a full calendar year’s worth of data covering my regular commute with only rare exceptions for those teaching lessons and odd errands, I came across the claims of the acetone. Since the car is consitently maintained, and fuel injector cleaners were used when I first purchased it, anyway, it looked like a great candidate. 10 gallon tank, easy to measure.

Bottom line: For $0.24 worth of Acetone added per tank, I get 45-60 more miles out of each of those tanks; more than 10% improvement regardless of my driving style!
33mpg driving like a maniac on gas, 37.5mpg like a maniac w/acetone!
When plotted throughout the year, the difference in mileage tracks parallel to the weather, it is naturally worse in the middle of winter. Both values, with and without acetone, each tracked parallel to the weather changes, the one with acetone was just always higher. This has remained consistent to this day. When one variable would change (new tires) the values changed a little, at that point, but the difference always remained. The effect remains to this day, if I forget to put it in or don’t have my supply replenished, I’m back down to 350ish on a tank. If it is in the tank, @ 350, I still have an 1/8th of a tank to go.

ODO is now @ 202580, no fuel issues; just add gas, check air, change oil, replace tires and brakes as needed. If $0.25 of acetone saved you over a gallon’s worth of gas mileage, wouldn’t you at least try it? My coworker thinks I’m nuts, he showed me the top of this page to prove it. I’ll be bringing in the spreadsheet and showing him how the acetone difference actually paid for my car.